What Would Jesus Do...in Hell???
Posted by Joe E. Holman in atheism, Aubrey Hawkins, Texas Seven on Thursday, August 14, 2008
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In 2000, a Texas police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty. He was a rookie. His name was Aubrey Hawkins (29) of the Irving Police Department. Hawkins was killed by the “Texas Seven,” the infamous group of men who had escaped from John Connally Prison the same year. Prison escapee George Rivas, the Texas Seven ringleader, had orchestrated robbing an Oshman’s Sporting Goods store in Irving. It was here that this convict and his cohorts, looking over their shoulders, running from the law in utter desperation, faced a fateful decision when encountering Officer Hawkins—kill him and escape or be captured and let him live? The decision was quickly and brutally made. Hawkins was shot and then run over. They knew how badly they wanted to escape their pursuers. Even when maintaining freedom meant killing a police officer, Rivas decided to go through with it. It was at this point that an ordinarily infamous gang became the officially deadliest mob in America.
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# by Andrew - August 15, 2008 4:20 AM
Ah, here is the post...
What you have actually done here is make an atheist argument for the death penalty.
I thought atheists were all liberal and opposed to that? (I mean, except for the unborn, old, or too expensively ill.)
Oh, and I know that in practice atheists in power have not hesitated to kill the opposition in mass, but I rarely see them admit it openly. (Notable exception, Sam Harris: "Some propositions are so dangerous, that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them." pages 52-53 of The End of Faith
My question is, was your admission inadvertent?
# by Joe E. Holman - August 15, 2008 5:15 AM
The admission was intentional. I am strongly for the death penalty, and I loathe the far left-leaning drivel that flows from the minds and pens of so many of my atheist comrades.
(JH)
# by Joe E. Holman - August 15, 2008 5:24 AM
Your earlier comments about atheists being anxious to impose the death penalty on Christians is silly.
ALL governmental bodies seek to preserve themselves, regardless of what persuasions they may hold, and if they find it necessary, they will indeed liquidate their enemies. Neither atheists, nor Christians are alone in that.
You should learn that governments are neither, nor immoral. They make pragmatic decisions, not moral ones. What works is desired at all costs, so please stop acting like "evil atheist" governments do nothing but kill. Christian governments do too. ALL governments have and do (and will) kill when it suits their purpose.
(JH)
# by Andrew - August 15, 2008 4:08 PM
Of course all governments kill to enforce the rules.
But the officially atheistic governments have done it best!
And still are!
That said, I highly amused by your atheistic defense of the death penalty...and the suggestion that atheistic governments being anxious to enforce the death penalty on Christians is "silly". That shows how far you have fallen into denial.
Because that is what they have done every damn time they had the chance, and still are. Check out the Chinese imposition of athesism on the Tibetans as a means of destroying Tibetan cultural identity...Amnesty International had a fit over it when it was fashionable to do so.
Who ya kiddin, Joe?
# by Joe E. Holman - August 15, 2008 5:39 PM
Andrew said...
"Of course all governments kill to enforce the rules. But the officially atheistic governments have done it best! And still are!"
My reply...
What the hell is this supposed to mean? Come on, now..."have done it best"??? Corruption of power is universal, and the scale of how bad the corruption is depends on the size of the nation.
If you will study the "atheistic governments", you will find that they killed based on expansion rates; larger nations will take more lives. Plenty of Orthodox churches are alive and well in those territories and have been for centuries. Why didn't they destroy them all if indeed they are just religion-haters? Because it's not about religion; it's about control and, as I said, pragmatic concerns in running nations.
You childishly act like atheist governments are run by pale-faced, atheist, white men with gritted teeth, who shake their fists at God and swear to destroy all that is holy, and then command their generals to systematically wipe out all religious elements and let out a wicked laugh to the heavens, "muhahahaha!" Not true, and so, so laughable! Only vocal oppositions were wiped out, be they religious or not. But that's human nature, and religious people do the very same thing.
And if you will put in perspective the high number of deaths from these nations, you will find that many of them are from starvation, economic collapses and rioting, etc. all from poor leadership (again, pragmatic concerns, not religious or irreligious ones).
It is not as though soldiers went down the streets and hacked everyone to bits with the express intent to kill religion. Only stupid people think that, like fundy biblicists such as yourself.
Andrew said...
"That said, I highly amused by your atheistic defense of the death penalty...and the suggestion that atheistic governments being anxious to enforce the death penalty on Christians is "silly". That shows how far you have fallen into denial."
My reply...
Alright, be amused then. But denial? Oh no! Education? Yes.
Andrew...
"Because that is what they have done every damn time they had the chance, and still are. Check out the Chinese imposition of athesism on the Tibetans as a means of destroying Tibetan cultural identity...Amnesty International had a fit over it when it was fashionable to do so."
My reply...
You act like I have some stock in defending the actions of these governments. I don't. But I recognize that religion was not the target; political opposition was. That's always the way it is. But again, try and listen to what I say...nations face pragmatic concerns, not moral ones. And the idea that any nation simply upped and decided to eradicate religion would meet its own death--the populace is controlled by religion, was throughout all Russia prior to and after Stalin. These governments received large sums of money from the churches and secured alliances with them. Obedience always follows money. So again, you know nothing. You're just a little man with a Jeebuz ax to grind.
Please read my book.
(JH)
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